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August 11, 2023

Eagles training camp player stock up/stock down media poll

Jimmy asked Eagles' media members for their most impressive and depressing player from training camp.

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Cam Jurgens is happy to learn that he got the most "stock up" votes in the Eagles media poll.

We are now 10 practices into Philadelphia Eagles training camp, so as I do each year I polled the Eagles' media contingent on which players have looked good so far throughout camp, and which ones have not looked so good.

For this exercise, I asked 22 Eagles media people, all of whom have attended every practice (or close enough to it in almost all cases) to identify one player whose stock is up, and one whose stock is down.

Stock up ūüďą

On the stock up front, seven players received at least two votes. 

Cam Jurgens5
Reed Blankenship  4 
Josh Jobe  2 
 Joseph Ngata 2 
Nolan Smith  2 
K'Von Wallace  2 
Quez Watkins  2 

For full disclosure, my vote was for Cam Jurgens, who entered camp with the burden of beating out rookie Tyler Steen for the starting RG job. In my opinion, Steen has played well to start camp, but Jurgens was simply better, and appears more than ready for his first season as a full-time starter. That camp battle never really materialized, and Jurgens quickly left no doubt that he is the guy.

Three other players got one vote each. In alphabetical order:

  1. Jalen Carter
  2. Marlon Tuipulotu
  3. Milton Williams

Here are the players in the past that have gotten at least four "stock up" votes:

Year Players with at least 4 "stock up" votes 
2017 Marcus Johnson (13), Nelson Agholor (4), C.J. Smith (4) 
2018 Kamu Grugier-Hill (4), Matt Pryor (4) 
2019 Sidney Jones (10), Miles Sanders (7) 
2020 John Hightower (4) 
2021 Quez Watkins (7), Josh Sweat (4) 
2022 T.J. Edwards (5), Britain Covey (5) 

The biggest "false positives" were Sidney Jones in 2019, and John Hightower in 2020. However, the first 10 or so practices of camp were predictive of good seasons for Miles Sanders in 2019, as well as Nelson Agholor, who had his lone impact season in 2017, and Josh Sweat, who had a breakout Pro Bowl season in 2021. Also, guys like Marcus Johnson, C.J. Smith, and Britain Covey were players who entered camp as longshots, but deserved to make the team, and did.

Last year, T.J. Edwards' training camp performance earned him a starting job.

Stock down ūüďČ

On the "stock down" side, four players got at least two votes.

Nicholas Morrow7
Nakobe Dean  4 
Derek Barnett  2 
Greedy Williams  2 

Eagles beats tended to struggle a bit coming up with a stock down player this year, as there aren't a lot of obvious candidates. Morrow got seven votes, which makes sense, since he has probably been passed by Christian Elliss on the depth chart, and the team signed a pair of veteran linebackers in Myles Jack and Zach Cunningham.

Dean is an interesting choice. He has missed three practices, most of a fourth practice, and was a limited participant in another. In the practices he has played in, he hasn't been an obvious standout, but it's probably also true to some degree that linebacker isn't a position where it's easy to stand out when there isn't a lot of hitting. But certainly, expectations were high for Dean heading into camp, and he has not yet announced his presence with authority.

My vote was for Derek Barnett, whose most notable moment through the first 10 practices was a personal foul penalty for throwing Landon Dickerson to the ground well after the whistle and then trying to fight him. To note, I didn't have high expectations for Barnett heading into camp, but I figured he would do enough to make the team. After the first couple weeks of camp, Barnett is probably on the bubble.

Seven players received one vote each. In alphabetical order:

  1. Devon Allen
  2. Ian Book
  3. Jordan Davis
  4. Jack Driscoll
  5. Marcus Mariota
  6. Josiah Scott
  7. Brett Toth

Here are the players in the past that have gotten at least four "stock down" votes:

Year Players with at least 4 "stock down" votes 
2017 Patrick Robinson (14), Shelton Gibson (10) 
2018 Corey Nelson (7), Isaac Seumalo (5), Chance Warmack (5) 
2019 Clayton Thorson (9), Jordan Mailata (7), Mack Hollins (5), Stefen Wisniewski (4) 
2020 Sidney Jones (11) 
2021 Andre Dillard (12), Jalen Reagor (4) 
2022 Gardner Minshew (6), Jaquiski Tartt (5) 

Patrick Robinson had one of the worst starts to camp that I've ever seen, but after a switch from outside corner to the slot, he got better as the summer progressed and ended up becoming one of the best slot corners in the NFL that season, making a HUGE play in the NFC Championship Game along the way.

Otherwise, our stock down picks have been very predictive of bad seasons.

  1. Shelton Gibson played in five games as a rookie, catching two passes.
  2. Corey Nelson got cut before the end of camp.
  3. Isaac Seumalo got benched Week 2.
  4. Chance Warmack actually got into nine games in 2018. He didn't wreck any games, but he wasn't good, either.
  5. Clayton Thorson was a fifth-round pick who got cut.
  6. Jordan Mailata has since become a stud LT, but he didn't appear in any games in 2019.
  7. Mack Hollins was useless as a receiver in 2019 before the team dropped him in-season. He has since become a decent role player.
  8. Stefen Wisniewski got cut. (He did go on to start for the Super Bowl-winning Chiefs).
  9. Sidney Jones got cut.
  10. A common perception was that Dillard had a good season in 2021. I didn't see it that way. He was certainly better in 2021 than he was in 2019, but he still didn't really play that well on the whole.
  11. Reagor's entire Eagles career was frustratingly bad.
  12. Minshew went 0-2 in starts, including a bad loss to the Saints.
  13. Tartt got cut.

So, for the most part, like most Philadelphians, we can identify a struggling player when we see one.

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